Since then our team has proven that Patricia is innocent. I do not think Mr K is guilty. At 10:30 p.m., Andrew reported his wife missing. Update/Clean-Up. I thought the same. Police need evidence of perpetration in every claimed case, and Sells is regarded as lying about some claimed murders per inability or unwillingness to detail. PATRICIA RORRER, : : Petitioner : v. : CIVIL ACTION NUMBER 19-01398 : WENDY K. NICHOLAS, : : Respondents : MOTION FOR DISCOVERY AND CONSOLIDATED MEMORANDUM OF LAW . Curiously after this latest test, the 39 hairs removed only 34 were accounted for what became of the absent 4 hairs? Search it out and check for yourself. As to blood splatter, at a far enough distance, a .22 isnt going to leave much blood splatter, and there probably wont be an exit wound, it will just bounce around the skull, and you dont have to make someone bleed to beat them, and several months in the elements is plenty of time to wash away some evidence as well, although luckily not all. She was the one that left Andy! For one thing, her mother never asked Sandra Ireland to hide the gun, and she retrieved it on the way home the next day she worked as a bus driver and couldnt take it with her to school. Unfortunately for Joanne this psycho took it badly. They were people that knew her, not Andrew. The prosecution alleged that Patricia called the Katrinaks house from a pay phone in Pennsylvania. Those that think that Patricia is innocent are simply groping at straws. Instead of presenting hard facts, all I see are words and phrases that are purely speculative.. such as perhaps. Docket at pp. Which Patricia did not, so who is the real killer? I dont think she was ever scared until we put the cuffs on her.. Still, no good leads materialized. This woman was obsessed and jealous. Does it actually have to be an obligatory duty for anyone to be present at a trial before they are able to have an opinion? There are judges, eminent lawyers and writers who are in support of her. They released a poster of Joann and Alex, noting that the baby had almond-shaped blue eyes, weighed 18 pounds, and was circumcised. At 17, Patricia dropped out of high school and married landscaper Gary Gabard. The fact that there was a broken fingernail with skin attached to it found on her clothingand wasnt Patricias. . The Free Patricia Rorrer page responds to comments from supporters (How is this even possible that this woman is still in jail?!? That phone call came in on December 7, 1994. Inside the locked 1992 vehicle, police discovered some strands of blond hair stained with dried blood. I really never thought of it again.. What did the ME report as to the age of the baby? Andrew described his existence with Joanne and Alex as a little Camelot., Ex-spouse off list. I would bet MONEY that the first baby born to Patricia didnt die of SIDS. Sure theres DNA, but if she truly is innocent then why not advocate to find the gun. Phone records confirmed Patricia placed the earlier call from North Carolina, not Pennsylvania. So lets get going on the recap of the Forensic Files episode A Woman Scorned, along with extra information drawn from internet research: Joann Marie OConnor was born on Oct. 11, 1968, the youngest of Sarah and David OConnors four children. Thats because they knew it was a stretch to make anyone believe she would still be so enraged a week and a day later that she jumped into a van and drove 550 miles to kill a woman and baby she never met. Am I supposed to believe that she was still so enraged a week later, that she drove almost 10 hours, in a conspicuous van with a bad U-joint, to kill this woman and her baby? Sadly, those who defend Rorrer do not want to be confused by the truth. They really need to set her free and open the case and look at the husband. From my point of view, the American police investigations are first hand, and often very poorly done, Ive only seen worse in the British police, which is paradoxical given the laudatory talent of both nationalities, but it is a Scandinavian saying: bigger the mouth, smaller the facts. I therefore, perhaps naively, default to the judicial systems eventually getting the decision right. Why? This article is little more than fiction. For this week, I looked into the defenders reasoning as well as Patricias whereabouts today. It was just assumed to be crib death. You people are fighting a losing cause! Yet they insisted in the trial that the call came in on the 13th. This information was never revealed to Rorrers defence. Unless theres a complicity between him and her, and the reason she didnt divulge it is because she hopes to put all the blame on him, when she was the one to murder and he was a planner. Did they ever determine cause of death in the baby? A lot of these documentaries feature most of the theories suggested by the cops and prosecution which were most damaging to her case, but not a single person to substantiate Rorrers side, or to challenge their versions. In fact it clearly shows how short you are on all the details surrounding this case. If in the woods in a rural area, no animal, rodent or insect touched those bodies? Walmart woe. Patricia also pointed out that when author Tammy Mal started her research and speaking to me, she was not an advocate at all but she reversed and ended up advocating for Patricias innocence. because theres money to be made from the commercials added into their show. I very much doubt you are. And I can back up that claim by the fact I have read, watched and listened to all there is to know about this case. Forensic tests suggested the hair found in the car and at the murder scene came from Patricia. They are a joke. I find it weird that youre going to kill a woman just because she hung up on you and maybe tell you some shitty world because you call like an ex. Youre so fixated with her guilt, youre unable to see other factors that show this case to be a disgraceful travesty. She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. It wasnt aimed at any one video producer. Aside from the hair, there was almost zero forensic evidence. It then makes light of the fact that the car in which the (incriminating) hairs were found was absent of any blood. And this was never disclosed to Rorrers Defence. This FBI report, of the hairs being unable to yield a DNA result because of the absent root material, was never revealed to Rorrers defence. And your contention that you (me) as ONE person are wrong, let me say that while you seem to be determined in singling me out as someone whos opinion is one against the rest, is hopelessly exaggerated. Andrew told investigators that the unpleasant phone call between Joann and Patricia happened just three days before his wifes disappearance. The number of delusional people in this world both shocks and frightens me. Theyre more than happy to exaggerate and speculate the details of the crime, which serves to attract more viewers who (like you) seem to be happy to believe it all. They found several specimens but not a single one was a match. Why would it be an irony for a person to express his opinion? WoW! Youre right about my comments on other sites, but those seem to have an abundance of hate-mongers who feel no need to mince their words hence my retorts to those. Youre clutching at straws Im afraid. You are correct the bodies were not there all that time, and it seems odd that they baby taken at 3 month, but when found he was 6 months according to Wrong Man. At the trial, prosecutor Michael McIntyre alleged that Patricia remained obsessed with Andrew Katrinak long after their breakup despite testimony that shed had many boyfriends and live-in lovers to occupy her bandwidth. Another witness, Walter Traupman, who never testified, had told state troopers that on the day of Joanns disappearance, he saw a couple who looked like Joann and Andrew arguing about the paternity of a baby. Any true crime fan should know the crazy history of these magic boxes. None. Patricia Rorrer was wrongfully convicted of Murder. But to settle for just anyone being the offender offers no justice to the victims and certainly does no merit to those who are woefully lacking in ALL the details of this case, but nevertheless feel the need to vent their spleen on an innocent person. She had money put aside. I would like to tell you that there is many errors in this article, that I would love to send to you the proof of each one. Very soon after, the original hairs (in glass slides) were sent to the FBI again. Bully for you if youve read a lot and seen a lot: its meaningless to other posters and adds nothing to your argument for innocence. Fact is she wasnt and all of her alibis were proven to be lies. Clifford Freeman, since you are already at the top of the list of deluded people not much room left for anyone with an oversized ego such as you apparently have!! ), And in another bombshell, Joanns good friend Karen Devine said Joann planned to leave Andrew after the holidays. I deduced my opinion to be fact because of what Ive read and seen and is supported by evidence which was never disclosed at her trial. I was like OK, maybe she was tired, you know with a new baby. I comment on these forums because they are the only places offering the opportunity to, hopefully, bring awareness to those whore unfamiliar with this case and her unfair plight. There is no justice for your loved ones when the wrong person is paying for the crime. Nobody said bodies were intact. I didnt read anything in this article that convinced me I didnt like that the lab had a bad rep and I do agree the police lie and frame people sometimes so I cant say 100% she did it or not. Shes where she belongs in prison for the rest of her life. BROADCASTING SPECULATIVE SCENES, SUCH AS MENTIONED ABOVE, CAN LEAVE A VERY INDELIBLE MEMORY ON THOSE WHO ARE HAPPY TO REMAIN GULLIBLE. Traupman died in 2016. Especially mice! He would be alive today if it were not for Patricia Rorrer. The mild-mannered Sarah died in 2019 at the age of 83. The reason Interpol was involved is because all three had different European citizens, as a result of which it was very difficult to follow the thread of the event. She was bubbly and likable, not disgruntled, according to friend Kathy Barber, who visited her friend in jail. (We didnt get into the specifics.). How would an intruder find it? Let me simplify this for you in religion, one is taught there is a God. If documentaries are, as you claim, biased against Rorrer, the obvious question is why. And she will have to answer eventually. I live in Pennsylvania, not far from where this happened. Another point is the theory developed by the cops that the victim (Joann) was shot just one time and then bludgeoned to death. But Patricia had moved from Pennsylvania years ago, and she'd started her own family in North Carolina. I believe this woman murdered Joann and Alex. 2. And James Pfeiffer and Jim Burke have remained on her side. More hairs there. Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. Did Patricia ever take a lie detector test? No activity on her bank account or credit cards took place after the day she went missing, so investigators dismissed the theory that she took her child and bolted. Shes attracted the help of writer Tammy Mal (full name Tammy Malinowski OReilly), author of Convenient Suspect, a book about the case. New state, new man. The Common Sense Guy you should put yourself on top of the list of deluded people. To be sure, an appellant does not have to *prove* (convince) of innocence to have been wrongfully convicted (even if they are in fact guilty but I digress). However, my curiosity is piqued as to why Andrews mother didnt report the missing daughter in law, Joanne and her own grandson Alex! Patricia made daily phone calls every day but made no calls at all the day before, of and after Joannes murder as she was traveling and knew her phone could track her location. RR, Watch the Forensic Files episode on YouTube. Andy passed not one but two polygraph tests and had a solid alibi. This time, not surprisingly, the FBI did achieve a match. Which, for this very reason, is at present being investigated by a federal judge? This is untrue. Patricias defenders also say Andrew Katrinak staged the scene at his house by prying the door and cutting the phone line. I accept there are a couple of remarks which can be seen that way but they are in direct response to those whove been offensive in the first place. The case rocked Pennsylvania's Lehigh Valley and resulted in. Thats all for this post. Im a hunter and in the spring I have found many dead deer that died from starvation or other reasons and the bodies are untouched. Go watch the Reasonable Doubt episode from last night Patricia did it. In summer, after thawing, there will be small animals eating the body and even turkey vultures, but not so much in the winter. And the obvious answer is not as you claim. As I stated previously, if she cannot speak for herself, Im happy to step up on her behalf. That did amuse me I have to say, but youre way off target there Im more than happy with my state of mind before and after reading any of these comments. But unfortunately other than God only two people know exactly what really happened and one is not alive. Perhaps youre not aware, there was a great deal of evidence of which these documentaries made no mention, as well as misdeeds and incidents of corruption perpetrated by the cops. She is right where she belongs for now until she meets satan in the fury of hell. If not, how could Andrew have obtained samples of Patricias hair if they apparently didnt meet up in person after Andrews marriage? so then using your contention, one who is deeply religious and sees God as being a factual figure is wrong? I wonder, did they ever perform a DNA test on the baby, to verify paternity? State police and the Philadelphia division of the FBI appealed to the public for leads. He gave an audio interview to the Wrong Man investigators when they made a surprise visit to his house, but he declined to appear on camera. Theres a similar air of confusion connected to the Scott Peterson debacle. If I see anything that offers a differing opinion or is inaccurate, I think its entirely fair I should say my piece. You say by definition! Its his hair (dirty blond and roughly 8 inches in length) that was found in Joanns hand. It says that Andrew Katrinak passed his lie detector test. DNA tests proved the blonde hairs were hers. It seems so, according to you. 5 years prior to all this happening! How so? No way they laid there for 4 months!!!! I do. I was able to email with Patricia via the PrisonConnect platform around Christmastime. I want to know why no one has answered this question: if there was no root found on the hair clutched in Joanns hand how was the lab able to produce all those results that could not have been found without roots??? The author that wrote the book on the Rutier case donates all the funds from that book to freeing Darlie Routier because the jury wasnt shown a lot of evidence of the medical issues Darlie suffered. Sir I would not kill somebody and I definitely wouldnt kill somebody I never met, Rorrer said. Patricia Rorrer: The Hang Up: Directed by Joe Berlinger, Catharine Park. Patricia defaulted on her mortgage and then returned to North Carolina, where she eventually moved in with a boyfriend named Brian Ward. A man normally wouldnt care about killing a child, but a woman normally would have some kind of abhorrence to harming an innocent child. If you so dearly feel the need to occupy the high ground in debate or an argument, have the decency to quote accurately. The Irish-Italian girl had full, fluffy dark hair, olive skin, and a pretty face. An infant was lying face down on her stomach. Together they had a baby girl, Nicole. Unfortunately, most people cant distinguish reality from crackpot nonsense, and theyre only more unlikely to do so, given todays social media. ), The Wrong Man investigators Ira Todd and Joe Kennedy have some theories of their own. I fail to see exactly why someone cant have an opinion which he/she sees as fact. This woman was motivated by an obsession with a man who no longer wanted her. She had a history of violence over men, and she had access to the dump site from frequent visits. Lieutenant Christopher Coble and Sergeant Suzanne Pearson would later testify that Patricia cried and apologized to 18-month-old Nicole, telling the baby, Im sorry for doing this to you and lamenting to the officers that she would never see little Nicole again. Patricia and her husband broke up after the babys death. And then there are documentaries (video and audio) which, by all accounts, stick to the facts and make a compelling case for her innocence. One more thing acquire ALL the facts about this case If you can read. Im new to the case, but there seems to be a lot of reasonable doubt. Sorry ladiesher hair was in the car and at the scene.she murdered them. Which explains why she made Joann kill the baby, or suffer from the environmental elements. Yet, you have a story like Darlie Rutier who supposedly stabbed herself seriously enough that was centimeters from her carotid artery, yet this woman is in prison still? Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports, 7 Unnerving Facts About the Lindberghs and the Kidnapping, The Lindbergh Kidnapping: Forensic Files Lost Episode, Dawn Fehring: A Missionary Dies Too Young, Daniel and Cynthia McDonnell: Good Cop, Bad Wife. For more on the Katrinak murder case, you can watch Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction for free on YouTube. Later, they both worked 12-hour graveyard shifts at a textile factory. After . The difference was made by the investigation, Interpol has some good detectives who do not play with peoples freedom and who do not use American techniques such as pictures, lets compare hair color after pictures bullshit, not even with the performance of todays cameras such a thing is not allowed, the issue of dismantling the alibi only with indirect evidence, like that her name was not in the notebook, a European court would withdrew it immediately, you cant go with a thing like this, its called inconclusive proof, even the fact that one of the witnesses said that the business was not opened where she said it was that day, its inconclusive, the accused can say that he/she forgot, was there and left, and his alibi I dont know how it was verified, but what should been verified first were the contacts between him and her, if he contacted her before that, if she had been contacted from public phone for example before the murder, how many times, when etc, if he was near the places where she was until the murder, things like that. Great communicator. The 5-foot-9-inch-tall Patricia was physically strong, no match for 5-foot-4-inch Joann. She had a suitcase packed, Devine said. Rorrer killed these two people in cold blood and the jury got it right! Rather, Im conservative when it comes to potential disagreement with the jury: I wasnt there to see/hear evidence and to declare theyre wrong! There are those on this very site who express their disappointment she was not executed. It showed her usually all-brown hair haphazardly highlighted blond. His defenders claimed that the confession was coerced, the video was grainy/unclear or doctored and the witness was confused and/or unreliable. Clifford Freeman, were you a juror? But it doesnt make a nonsense of her being the shooter, regardless of their speculation. We should be skeptical of those, like you, who suggest its obvious a jury got it wrong that you know better than 12 people presented with the evidence. As for the words exchanged on the call between the two big-haired women, Joann told Andrew that Patricia had used profanity; Patricia said it was the other way around. One of Patricia's alibis was that she was at a bar on the night of the abduction. Police say Rorrer put a .22-caliber bullet in the mother's head, strangled the baby and placed him . He took two tests and there was deception detected in BOTH. What definition? Quote if I had known I would get caught, I would never have brought you into this world. Pat to Nicole her daughter. After one bullet didnt kill Joann, the gun locked up, so Patricia had to beat her to death, according to the prosecution.

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