We just told you a story about how far humans are willing to go to protect something. Well they needed the goats because well yeah, there was a problem of people Because during the 90's these demonstrations started to happen, demonstrations of outrage, violent activity, constant conflict to explain. But Darwin didn't consider this possibility. So for starters they put up all these traps. So while we were in the highlands of santa, Cruz hunky took me through the woods to meet this guy named Arno. Thanks for listening. Um and eventually you start um you know fondling their their legs and tails and hoping to get them to ejaculate and had a volunteer working with me, her name was favorite bridge oni. Yeah. The each legs, two clutches were ultimately laid in his corral and the scientists are like George got our hopes up dramatically. And the thing to know is that even though these are three different species, they're actually really hard to tell apart visually. Whereas the numbers were very small for the medium tree finch and smaller for the small tree finch, wow, I dare say that sounds kind of hopeful. By this point, I'm getting super excited and I'm thinking about Darwin and I start reading Voyage of the Beagle, his book on this nook that I had bought for the trip. So carl kept mulling this problem, what would it take to basically make you know, the perfect judas goat. Hello Gisella. Nearly 200 years later, the Galpagos are undergoing rapid changes that continue to pose and perhaps answer critical questions about the fragility and resilience of life on Earth. That is the sound of a tortoise breathing. And she told me that researchers recently did a survey of finch nest, four different species on two islands and all research groups found about 95% mortality in the nest, 95% of the babies were dead. WebRadiolab Science Friday See All Podcasts FEATURED EPISODES Jane Mayer on the Ethical Questions About Justice Clarence Thomas The staff writer discusses the latest financial-disclosure scandal involving the judge, and the decline in public trust in the Supreme Court. There is music under the breaks. They blockaded roads. Nearly 200 years later, the Galpagos are undergoing rapid changes that continue to pose and perhaps answer critical questions about the fragility and Initially it was carl's suggestion was goats, gregarious and like being in groups, they're herd animals. Our staff includes Simon Adler, jeremy bloom becca Bressler, Rachel, Cusick, w. Harry for tuna, david gable Maria paz gutierrez, Sindhu unison bend um matt Kielty anne McEwen Alex Neeson sarah, carry on a rescue it pas sarah sand back. Okay, so here's a wood plaque That says Lonesome George is the last survivor of the dynasty of land tortoises from Pinta Island and in fact in 2012, after decades of trying to get him to breed lonesome George Dies. I'm the restoration Ecologist at the Charles Darwin foundation. Or maybe it's 10,000 hammerhead sharks. Just going to meet you at the airport. More information Well it means that these two different finches had started having babies together. Oh for sure. You know, like nature in its purest form. For the medium is a check for the large Chee Chee wow. Who kind of scrambled everything up for me? They might not be stupid ideas, but we still might not be able to do them. What is the color of the pacific ocean when you look out the plane window? The uneasy marriage of biology and engineering raises big questions about the nature of life. Here we go. That's very similar to what I was picturing, But we land, we take the 40 minute bus drive, which turns out to be kind of a big town, tons of people live there like a fishing village, tons, no, it's way bigger than a fishing village and just let me say that my first hours in Galapagos were totally different than I was expecting. So I think there's been a change. [00:00:21] Hi, this is Katrina from Melbourne, Australia. And that's where I thought oh something's changed in the system. Same exact story that Darwin saw these processes that he described that just never ever stop. It's hot, it's bright. The interview originally from a podcast called The Relentless Picnic, but presented by one of Lulus current podcast faves, The 11th is part of an episode of mini pep talks designed to help us all get through this cold, dark, second-pandemic-winter-in-a-row. This is radio lab and we are dedicating the entire hour to this little set of islands and to that question as the world is filling up with more and more and more people, Is it inevitable that even the most sacred pristine places on the planet will eventually get swallowed up? I can see the sea cargo ships going by and we have drones flying that are taking thousands of pictures of every angle of that bridge that no human could actually quickly process without artificial intelligence. But that's four generations of tortoises, not rats. This foundation is this idea of pristine wilderness from the very beginning, I think all of us well I can't speak for other people, but but you always have this idea of wanting to get it back to some kind of pre human condition, pre human being, the operative word. But then one evening in March of 1972. WebRadiolab is a radio program produced by WNYC, a public radio station in New York City, and broadcast on public radio stations in the United States. For transcripts, see individual segment pages. But at the time the immediate question was, are there any more because if they could find a female for George, then they could, you know, maybe de extinct the species. He just kind of points. Teladoc is available through most insurance plans and if you're not covered, you can still have access, download the app or visit Teladoc dot com slash radio lab. Test the outer edges of what you think you know, Radiolab is supported by listeners like you. Oh, I'm never a Doubter. Radiolab is supported by listeners like you. She says there's actually very little known about the fly. Yeah. It's like having a program on you over and over and over again, it gets worse. We've done so much on the show since last summer. What you do is you sit at the back of the tortoise and first you have to get to where they'll allow you to touch them. Is a tortoise trying to get over a branch. So when you think about trying to inspect the bridge and every pillar, you're talking about extensive amount of work. Plus with 24/7 support, you're never alone. WebRadiolab live "Apocalyptical" In the fall of 2013, Radiolab toured North America with an ambitious multimedia live show called "Apocalyptical." So they began to frantically study it. So talked into the story of these finches is the story of Galapagos. So something is happening. But then at a certain point I noticed this one guy by himself standing on the sidewalk wearing a white shirt and jeans, he's waving a flag, but his flag is a different color. Just out of sympathy for them. Very special. I spent what two grand friend is The beginning is the beginning of a new a new future for the island. Hosted by Latif Nasser and So not only that, but according to linda, those goats, couple islands where they've been eliminated, fishermen have put them back. Now linda says in the end you don't actually need to do the full aggressive four generation breeding thing. Episode Credits:Reported and produced byTim Howard. a short break. They hear your footsteps, they raised their heads, they come out to see what's going on and then they get whacked. I thought you were gonna say people, it was kind of a collaboration. Now of course there are no female tortoises on pinta but they thought you know, maybe a zoo somewhere private collection has one because you really never know. You should actually get better with experience. What if on these islands, thousands of tourists arrive every day carrying fruits and chocolates and souvenirs jumping from island to island. So they called around offered huge cash rewards. And the flags are still flying everywhere. Now most of these plants are actually probably harmless and you know like you said Galapagos national park they spend tons of money, tons of time trying to keep invasives out. Coincidentally, these are the topics that Radiolab also loves. And tortoises. The natural skied from the first chapter Who wrote this song, Peak Open Zone. It's such a perfect day for toward us hunting. Radiolab is supported in part by the Alfred P. Fund Foundation, enhancing public understanding of science and technology in the modern world. It's this totally wild, like I've never seen like this storybook, blue green, iridescent aquamarine and I'm thinking like, wow, this is gonna be like dropping into another world. If the party in power now the front runners, if they get elected, then I see a dark and uncertain future, more big hotels, more of these enormous boats, more people. Then when I showed up after a few years again I was truly even more perplexed. Radio lab is supported by Teladoc. So the helicopters were used, they're called MD five hundred's small helicopter there for four passengers and one pilot, single turbine five blades. more about how IBM is using AI to help organizations create more resilient and sustainable infrastructure and operations by visiting IBM dot com slash sustainability this week on the new yorker radio hour, we're joined by Alan Alda Alda talks about growing up around burlesque shows his life as an actor, science feminism and how he took up podcasting in his eighties. So Carl Campbell figured out a technique where we could sterilize them in the field. These five species, does that mean that they may go extinct in the next five years in the next 50 years? WebWe are dedicating a whole hour to the Galapagos archipelago, the place that inspired Darwins theory of evolution and natural selection. And what makes it so perfect for tortoises is in the dry season in Galapagos, the guru, a which is a very, very thick mist comes onto the island. But I mean in the bigger picture, you can make the argument that humans now affect every square meter of the earth. So they're all kind of converting over into the tourism economy. The boys. And as he went island to island, he started noticing that there were all these creatures that were really similar to each other but also a little bit different. You know, we assume that it was carbon dioxide carbon dioxide from the breathing. And so the technique that we would use was you would fire up your helicopter, you fly around, you'd find some goats, capture goats, capture them live and then come back back to base camp, offload them and you put a radio collar on them and you throw them back on the island. So they went island by island, took a little bit of blood from all these different tortoises.

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